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"Hackers" thwart card-skimming attempt
« on: August 08, 2009, 01:53:44 PM »

Talk about bad timing/planning!:

Fake ATM Doesn't Last Long at Hacker Meet

Fraudulent device planted at hotel is discovered by security expert in attendance

By Robert McMillan, IDG News Service (San Francisco Bureau)

August 03, 2009 — IDG News Service —

LAS VEGAS - Criminals running an ATM card-skimming scam made a big mistake this week: They tried to hit the Defcon hacker conference in Las Vegas.

As the conference was kicking off a few days ago, attendees noticed that at ATM placed in the Riviera Hotel, which plays host to the annual event, didn't quite look right, according to a senior conference organizer who identified himself only as Priest. "They looked at the screen where there would normally be a camera," he said. "It was a little bit too dark, so someone shined a flashlight in there and there was a PC."

The ATM looked like a working system, but when people would put their cards in the machine, it would scan their card information and record the PIN numbers they entered. He didn't know how long the ATM had been at the Riviera.

Conference organizers notified local law enforcement who hauled away the machine on "Thursday or Friday," said Priest, who said he works as a "civil servant" in his day job.

Credit card skimmers -- small devices installed on top of card readers to steal information -- and fake ATM machines are a common problem. Once the criminal records the card information and PIN number, he can use that to create a fake ATM card and then empty the victim's account.

Previously unsophisticated criminal gangs are increasingly using these devices, Priest said. "They're realizing that this is a great way to make money without getting caught."

The criminals probably didn't realize that they were installing their ATM in a hotel that was soon going to be flooded with more than 8,000 security professionals, he added.

They were smart enough to place the machine in one of the few spots in the hotel where there was no security camera to catch them, Priest said. "It was literally right next to the hotel security entrance."

Copyright 2009 IDG News Service, International Data Group Inc. All rights reserved. [Permission pending.]

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Re: "Hackers" thwart card-skimming attempt
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2009, 09:21:13 PM »
Epic Fail to whoever that was behind it.

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Re: "Hackers" thwart card-skimming attempt
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2009, 09:52:33 PM »
Epic Fail to whoever that was behind it.
Quite :LOL:

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Re: "Hackers" thwart card-skimming attempt
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2009, 12:21:08 AM »
Epic Fail to whoever that was behind it.

Whomever :P
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Re: "Hackers" thwart card-skimming attempt
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2009, 01:00:20 AM »
Epic Fail to whoever that was behind it.

Whomever :P

I know I suck when it comes to grammar, but I'm 98% positive "whoever" is the correct English usage in that sentence.

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Re: "Hackers" thwart card-skimming attempt
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2009, 01:14:27 AM »
I know I suck when it comes to grammar, but I'm 98% positive "whoever" is the correct English usage in that sentence.

Don't argue with Edison.. Trust me, you'll never win.  Especially when it comes to academic stuff.
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Re: "Hackers" thwart card-skimming attempt
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2009, 03:09:33 AM »
I know I suck when it comes to grammar, but I'm 98% positive "whoever" is the correct English usage in that sentence.

Don't argue with Edison.. Trust me, he's always right.  Especially when it comes to academic stuff.

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2009, 04:37:40 AM »

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Re: "Hackers" thwart card-skimming attempt
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2009, 05:08:25 AM »
I googled "whoever vs whomever" and the internet says:

Use the him + he/him rule;   him + he = whoever    him + him = whomever

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Epic Fail to whoever that was behind it.

     Epic Fail to him. He was behind it.

him + he = whoever. It would seem Edison is wrong. I'm not 100% sure, the "that" throws me off. ;D


Reference: http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/whoever.asp

"Give it to whoever/whomever asks for it first."
     Give it to him. He asks for it first.
     Therefore, "Give it to whoever asks for it first."
 
"We will hire whoever/whomever you recommend."
     We will hire him. You recommend him.
     him + him = whomever

"We will hire whoever/whomever is most qualified."
     We will hire him. He is most qualified.
     him + he = whoever








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Re: "Hackers" thwart card-skimming attempt
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2009, 05:15:45 AM »
Slightly more on topic, the monthly newsletter magazine where I work featured card skimming. ADT believes they're doing to most to stop this new tech-crime. ::)  Something about something that scrambles the skimming equipment, I didn't really read it. Skimmed it, actually. :P



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Re: "Hackers" thwart card-skimming attempt
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2009, 11:49:44 AM »
Except the rule is also that it's whomever when it's the object and whoever when it's the subject. Since the epic fail is not being given by whomever/whoever, it is the object and therefore whomever. Cus your he/him rule would make it thus: Epic Fail to him. He that was behind it. It's better to use object vs. subject.
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Re: "Hackers" thwart card-skimming attempt
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2009, 12:15:36 PM »
my card has the fraud gurantee if someone frauds my card. they will give me money back if someone stole my pin right?


and about the argument heres what Microsoft Word grammar check say



it looks like that Jane and X is correct.

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Re: "Hackers" thwart card-skimming attempt
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2009, 12:56:04 PM »
As if anyone in their right mind would trust Microsoft >.> I can't tell you how many times it has said something is grammatically incorrect only for it to try to change it to something that actually is grammatically incorrect.
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Re: "Hackers" thwart card-skimming attempt
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2009, 01:24:58 PM »
SgtTanner

I've removed your post. I would strongly suggest that you attempt to keep your comments civil. If you have a problem with another forum member or admin I would also suggest that you PM that person.
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2009, 01:39:49 PM »
To clarify the whoever vs. whomever, whom is used after a proposition (as my English teacher put it), such as to (to whom), and for (for whom), and as the statement was "Epic fail TO...." it would be whomever.


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